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    Ryan T. Anderson discussing what he sees as some of the contradictions in the methodology of Transactivists.  Read the full piece here.  (Note – Not particularly fond of the source – The Daily Signal (via the Heritage Foundation) in the US – but the arguments presented are worth examining.)

 

“On the one hand, they claim that the real self is something other than the physical body, in a new form of Gnostic dualism, yet at the same time they embrace a materialist philosophy in which only the material world exists. They say that gender is purely a social construct, while asserting that a person can be “trapped” in the wrong gender.

They say there are no meaningful differences between man and woman, yet they rely on rigid sex stereotypes to argue that “gender identity” is real, while human embodiment is not. They claim that truth is whatever a person says it is, yet they believe there’s a real self to be discovered inside that person.

They promote a radical expressive individualism in which people are free to do whatever they want and define the truth however they wish, yet they try ruthlessly to enforce acceptance of transgender ideology.

It’s hard to see how these contradictory positions can be combined. If you pull too hard on any one thread of transgender ideology, the whole tapestry comes unraveled. But here are some questions we can pose:

If gender is a social construct, how can gender identity be innate and immutable? How can one’s identity with respect to a social construct be determined by biology in the womb? How can one’s identity be unchangeable (immutable) with respect to an ever-changing social construct? And if gender identity is innate, how can it be “fluid”?

The challenge for activists is to offer a plausible definition of gender and gender identity that is independent of bodily sex.

Is there a gender binary or not? Somehow, it both does and does not exist, according to transgender activists. If the categories of “man” and “woman” are objective enough that people can identify as, and bemen and women, how can gender also be a spectrum, where people can identify as, and be, both, or neither, or somewhere in between?

What does it even mean to have an internal sense of gender? What does gender feel like? What meaning can we give to the concept of sex or gender—and thus what internal “sense” can we have of gender—apart from having a body of a particular sex?

Apart from having a male body, what does it “feel like” to be a man? Apart from having a female body, what does it “feel like” to be a woman? What does it feel like to be both a man and a woman, or to be neither?

The challenge for the transgender activist is to explain what these feelings are like, and how someone could know if he or she “feels like” the opposite sex, or neither, or both.

Even if trans activists could answer these questions about feelings, that still wouldn’t address the matter of reality. Why should feeling like a man—whatever that means—make someone a man? Why do our feelings determine reality on the question of sex, but on little else? Our feelings don’t determine our age or our height. And few people buy into Rachel Dolezal’s claim to identify as a black woman, since she is clearly not.

If those who identify as transgender are the sex with which they identify, why doesn’t that apply to other attributes or categories of being? What about people who identify as animals, or able-bodied people who identify as disabled? Do all of these self-professed identities determine reality? If not, why not?

And should these people receive medical treatment to transform their bodies to accord with their minds? Why accept transgender “reality,” but not trans-racial, trans-species, and trans-abled reality?

The challenge for activists is to explain why a person’s “real” sex is determined by an inner “gender identity,” but age and height and race and species are not determined by an inner sense of identity.

Of course, a transgender activist could reply that an “identity” is, by definition, just an inner sense of self. But if that’s the case, gender identity is merely a disclosure of how one feels. Saying that someone is transgender, then, says only that the person has feelings that he or she is the opposite sex.

Gender identity, so understood, has no bearing at all on the meaning of “sex” or anything else. But transgender activists claim that a person’s self-professed “gender identity” is that person’s “sex.”

The challenge for activists is to explain why the mere feeling of being male or female (or both or neither) makes someone male or female (or both or neither).

Gender identity can sound a lot like religious identity, which is determined by beliefs. But those beliefs don’t determine reality. Someone who identifies as a Christian believes that Jesus is the Christ. Someone who identifies as a Muslim believes that Muhammad is the final prophet. But Jesus either is or is not the Christ, and Muhammad either is or is not the final prophet, regardless of what anyone happens to believe.

So, too, a person either is or is not a man, regardless of what anyone—including that person—happens to believe. The challenge for transgender activists is to present an argument for why transgender beliefs determine reality.”

I have yet to see a TRA answer any of these objections.

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“Why did I speak out? Why can I not stop speaking out?

I cannot stay silent whilst Lesbians are being given the ultimatum of ‘sleep with someone who says they’re a woman even though they have a penis or be labelled Transphobic?’ (I will not apologise for saying this sounds like harassment at best and rape culture at worst.)

I could not stay silent whilst men with penises demanded access to women’s prisons, shortlists, changing rooms, hospital wards, shelters, sports, bathrooms and safe zones. In fact according to gender identity activists there is no place on earth that should be PENIS FREE. (Not even Lesbian relationships.)

Up until a few weeks ago I believed I was a Trans ally. I accept Transsexual women, I can appreciate that their journey cannot have been easy; I would never intentionally disrespect someone or refer to them by a pronoun which they didn’t recognise as being appropriate. If you’d asked me should a Transsexual woman who has undergone sex reassignment surgery be housed in a man’s prison I would have said absolutely not, they would become as much of a target as a woman being incarcerated there.

Women are raped by penises, not identities and it is for this reason also that I believe someone with a penis who says they feel like a woman should not be jailed along with women.

The complete refusal to accept that Male Violence is perpetrated by those who have a penis along with the refusal to accept biological reality just leaves me baffled. How can you have a sensible debate with someone who won’t present any evidence but insists on their view being correct. It’s kind of like being back in the Pentecostal church I used to attend. One of the church goers claimed God had given her Gold teeth, my best friend Sarah took a look and said, “No, they’re your Mercury fillings.” We need more women like Sarah in the world.”

-Noracalder (post found here)

I’m so very lucky to have such a sharp feminist commentariate here at DWR (thanks for leaving this comment, Meg).  Along with the informative nuanced discussion, gems like this crop up and are too good not be shared.  Can I get a ‘society doesn’t give two shits about your special gender feels’ for $200, Alex?

Let’s get this straight.  This isn’t about hating on or disparaging individual trans people, it never has been.  My contention, since I was first exposed to trans ideology and transactivsm (aka MRA activism) has been this – other people’s subjective beliefs do not/should not dictate my reality.   I’ve been an atheist, since forever, and brook no shit when it comes to religious claims about religious interpretations of  reality and how society should be.  If you keep your theological mumbo-jumbo and bullshit practices to yourself and don’t impose them on others then things are great – you have ALL of my blessings to freely waste your own life as you see fit. If praying to invisible sky-fairies and following the ‘bestest’ 2000 year old wisdom from the high moral vanguard of the sheep-herding class is your ‘jam’…

Knock yourself out.

The instant you think that I should get behind your bronze age fuckwagon of stupid ideas – then we have a problem.   Your sincere religious beliefs and identity have exactly fuck-all to do with material factual reality and thus precisely zero to do with how I should view the world.

The claims of transactivists – that feelings transcend observable reality (generally speaking) – are in the exact same category of the religious who believe in omnipotent skyfairies.  If you think you can change your biological sex by adopting the patriarchal toxic gender stereotypes that are currently (have been for thousands of years) oppressing women in our society then again, my answer is easy.

Knock yourself out.

The instant you think I (or any feminist worth their salt) should give any weight to your subjectively personal gender fuckwagon of stupid contradictory ideas – then we have a problem.

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing with ideas and ideology that are at odds with reality.  If your ideology doesn’t hold up under criticism, then the problem is with your ideology, not the people pointing out the (obvious) flaws in it.

The quote that follows illustrates precisely the reality transactivists refuse to acknowledge.  The treatment they receive in society is but a pale shade of the fucking standard plate of shit that females get in society.  If they were actually women they would be told (and socialized from birth) to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up – like women (adult human females) are every day.

 

“These are but a few of many examples of all the ways people prove through their behavior that they don’t actually believe what they’re saying. They just don’t. They can say they believe “transwomen are women” but they don’t treat transwomen as actual women. Don’t you see? If transwomen were actually women, then the problems of transwomen would be treated with the same hum-drum response as any other woman’s issue. It wouldn’t be forced in everyone’s face, demanding the highest visibility and everyone’s immediate attention. No, that’s how men’s issues are treated. That’s how disadvantaged men are treated. That’s how men are prioritized over women, each and every time.

So sure, you can sit around and argue with them until you’re both blue in the face, but remember who you’re arguing with. You’re not arguing with people who actually believe their own assertions. You’re arguing with people who are baffling you with bullshit, even if they aren’t consciously aware that’s what they’re doing.”

 

Need more evidence?  Take a peek at the state of female reproductive rights in your corner of the world and observe carefully how short a shrift is given to actual female problems.

Yep.  Another casuality that can be directly attributed to transactivism (also Patriarchy 2.0).  This is what happens when women won’t go along with male delusion and commit the blasphemous crime of speaking in a particular way: with facts that are congruent with observable, material, reality.   I hope Vonny and Glosswitch return to twitter, we are in such desperate need of strong female leadership against this latest incarnation of patriarchy.

 

   Go read this post in full, very well worth your time.

Some thoughts from a man who underwent transition to ‘become a woman’.

 

“Jesse, a man who once claimed to be a woman, would agree with this. Like Cari, he also found that transitioning did not meet expectations. Jesse concedes that “I’m never going to truly know what it’s like to be a woman”. He bravely states,

It’s bending biological facts out of recognition if you try to make ‘female’ into some flexible category that anyone can fit into, just ’cause they feel that way inside. It’s also truly insulting. If you do that, you’re saying the oppression of women isn’t a thing at all, because anyone can be a woman; anyone can opt in and out.

He also talks about the women he met while identifying as one himself.

They were great people. They were generous, and kind, and accepting. But you know why? Because women have been told they have to be that way, ever since they were little girls and someone tells them to share, and to not be unladylike, and to be polite and not be loud or difficult.

He then advises boys and men considering transition:

You want to act like a woman? Start by being a decent human. Respect people’s boundaries. Respect their need for space and their experience of oppression, which you will never truly understand. Yes, trans people are an oppressed minority, and yes, the prejudice you’ve experienced overlaps in some ways with the way our culture treats women, but it is not the same, and please get it out of your head that it’s worse.

Julie Burchill adds that:

In a world where millions of people, especially ‘cis-gendered’ women, are not free to choose who they marry, what they eat or whether or not their genitals are cut off and sewn up with barbed wire when they are still babies, “choosing your gender” is uniquely for the privileged.”

More stories like this need to hit the mainstream consciousness. People should know that ‘transitioning’ isn’t some sort of magic bullet that solves the gender problem.

If there is anything that will enrage men more is women speaking out against their view of the world. The first class citizens get mighty mad when the second class start challenging their assertions and interpretations of the world.

This post delves into the war of words that is currently raging between transactivists and radical feminists in the wake of the Vancouver Women’s March.

It starts with one courageous individual at the Women’s march who expressed herself via a sign which, of course, was immediately labelled ‘transphobic’ and caused much consternation for certain trans identified males involved with the march.

Keep in mind the woman’s only ‘crime’ is expressing her opinion while at a Women’s march.

So then this happened. One fine TIM (trans identified male) decided he wanted to go after this woman carrying a sign at the protest.  This next screen shot is from The Feminist Current.

We pick up the conversation on twitter between Meghan Murphy and Morgane Oger.

The battle against transactivism is being fought now. Patriarchy 2.0 is happening and Meghan Murphy along with other feminists are on the front lines defending women and the right to speak the truth about their bodies and experiences.

Oh, just shaking my head at this one.  Watch the trans identified male dig a nice hole for himself as he debates with Meghan Murphy and other gender critical feminists.

I have laws enshrined in society now that protects my male delusions of gender, fear me female!  Of course, cue the defence against the world of facts and reality.

Julie Rei makes assertions that are not based in fact.  Watch how quickly Julie gets shut down.

Whoo-whee!  Now there is some goal-post shifting at its finest.  Shift away Julie, I’m pretty sure Gender Rebel is not going to brook any of your shit.

Lol-cakes!  The idea that you can adopt the patriarchally approved gender stereotypes and that somehow makes you a woman is not only foolish, it is appalling.  Bullshit patriarchal expectations are what radical feminists fight against because, you guessed it, they hurt women (and men).

In the last panel Scott rightly points out the irony of Morgane’s position and PinkPussyHatRadFemTERF delivers the Coup de grâce doing what radfems do best naming the problem and identifying how to counter it.

 

This BS sadly is happening in my country.  I’m so very glad that we have people who are standing up to the trans-cult when they make assertions contrary to reality.   Oh hey, let me get that definition mentioned in the twitter stream.

Pluralistic Ignorance – “In social psychology, pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but incorrectly assume that most others accept it, and therefore go along with it.[1] This is also described as “no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes”. In short, pluralistic ignorance is a bias about a social group, held by that social group.[2][3]

Pluralistic ignorance may help to explain the bystander effect.[4] If no-one acts, onlookers may believe others believe action is incorrect, and may therefore themselves refrain from acting.”

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