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Interesting conclusion – if gender is completely subjective, personal quality, how can it be meaningful in a descriptive sense?
It comes back down to the utility of meanings that are based in the material reality of the situation. Women = adult human female is an objective fact, and I haven’t seen an alternate definition that more accurately coincides with this evidence based conclusion.
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December 17, 2016 at 6:22 am
roughseasinthemed
Of course, it’s ok for trans people (i.e. MTT) to define who/what women are, what gender is, but as soon as women try and say something? Shut up. The men are speaking and deciding what is what.
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December 17, 2016 at 8:07 am
Steve Ruis
I think gender indoctrination stems logically from child indoctrination. Children are not raised “free range.” We teach them how to behave in “society.” I imagine that at one point or other, children were taught not to piss off their fathers because their fathers would kill them. It got to the point that an English king (George III ?) said that his father feared his own father, that he fear his father, and his children will learn to fear him. These are somewhat bedrock family values in some cultures.
It seems that gender identification and indoctrination comes from trying to teach boys and girls how to behave in society as a male or female, again, to keep them safe (I believe the indoctrination was well-intentioned). Boys were taught to be brave because in a primitive society, men did the hunting and protecting jobs (an argument can be made that men were better suited for those tasks). A weepy, sensitive boy could grow into a timid and uncertain man and that could be a threat to the entire family group.
Having said that, we also have evolved societies in which pissing off Dad and having dad kill you is frowned upon, that we have a kinder and gentler society and need to re-examine our societal indoctrinations. Programming little girls to focus on their appearance to become toys to be collected by men has long outlived its usefulness, so why are we still doing it?
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December 17, 2016 at 10:57 am
Miep
I’ve long thought that gender is a lot easier to understand when one looks at it as a transitive verb, i.e., something done to someone, or some behavior, (or language). It’s a form of assignment.
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December 17, 2016 at 11:02 am
Godless Cranium
A lot of these conversations Arbour posts from Tumblr seem to be females duscussing these topics. There’s no way to know for sure, but I do know there are a lot of female feminists who believe gender is linked to feelings rather than biology.
So I don’t think it’s so much a man talking thing, although Arbour is male and you listen to him. I guess the man opinion is okay if it matches your own. *shrug*
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December 17, 2016 at 11:20 am
The Arbourist
@Steven Ruis
Agreed.
And, very good question. Why would an advanced society want to socialize one of the classes to be subordinate and have them take residence in a class deemed inferior?
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December 17, 2016 at 11:45 am
The Arbourist
@GC
Almost like there is a correlation between the groups affected by the issues and the importance of those groups being heard.
Gender, and the socialization it entails, is an arbitrary social construct. It changes form over time, but retains the features that arbitrarily set males as the dominant class, and females as the subordinate class.
Gender is a hierarchical feature of our society, that hurts women and men, and should be done away with – so people can be who they want to be and not have to face censure for defying the role society assigns to them.
Setting up for the ‘echo-chamber’ comment GC? Certainly seems like it. :)
As a dude, even a quasi-enlightened one I know my input into feminist issues must be nuanced, and respectful of those involved. Many of the issues discussed on this blog do not directly affect me, but I do my best to empathize with the people who tell their stories and share their experiences.
Because I can choose not to worry about many of the issues discussed here (the epitome of white male privilege), this necessarily changes how I perceive the issues and thus to offset this bias often present women talking and discussing the issues at hand, while providing a commentary seated in the mode of second wave, radical feminist analysis. It’s not perfect, but it is the best I can do.
The points of view I often articulate can be found in Second wave feminist theory and praxis. Much of my subscribed readership are radical feminists, so the concurrence and agreement on issues and points should not be surprising.
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December 17, 2016 at 11:46 am
The Arbourist
@Miep
And a lousy one at that if you happen to get the short end of the stick. :/
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December 17, 2016 at 12:12 pm
Miep
I thought you were a woman, so I would say that from my POV, you are doing a fairly good job of being a man 😀
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December 17, 2016 at 12:35 pm
The Arbourist
@Miep
I get that fairly frequently. I’m sorry if I caused you any undue consternation.
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December 17, 2016 at 12:43 pm
roughseasinthemed
Depends on your punta da vista. For me, feminists are women. So female feminists is a redundant term.
Sure, there are loads of female feminists (sic) who claim that gender is innate etc etc And women are who they ‘feel’ they are.
True though. Arb does match my views. For the most part. Do you have a problem with me agreeing with a man supporting feminism?
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