Only a taste gentle readers of the abundant multiloquence of pants-on-head-stupid over at “Enlightening Science” – with the ever so ironic tagline ‘with knowledge comes power’. Dammit, there went the irony meter – again.
Prepare yourselves for a sagacious trip into the dark netherworlds of dudely logic and mansplination (line breaks added for readability):
“Imagine a situation.
Peter and his new girlfriend Janice are going to dinner. During the dinner they have lots of fun, but when Peter and Janice are walking home and she mentions that she is a feminist, Peter asks why isn’t feminism called equalism instead if the movement is fighting for equal rights among females and males. And this was Peter’s mistake. Janice flips out, starts calling him a misogynist with his male privilege and that he only thinks about sex. Peter seeing how Janice is reacting to his question, decides to leave her.
The next day the police shows up at his apartment to arrest him, because he is accused of rape. Peter spends two weeks in jail and gets raped there multiple times. When he goes to court he says that he didn’t rape Janice and she admits it. The charges Peter was facing are dropped and Janice walks away without any charges. When Peter returns, his boss tells him that Peter is fired because of false rape charges, and Peter struggles to find another job because he was accused of rape. Do you see what’s is wrong with this story?
Firstly, Peter was raped and no feminist gives a damn about it, no equal rights for him. Secondly, Janice destroys Peter’s life with false rape charges and she isn’t charged with anything, even though she falsely accused somebody of raping her. And these situations are occurring worldwide and no feminist cares about them. All they care about is dominating men. Okay, not all feminists do that, but those who do are what’s known on the internet as feminazis.”
I’ve left a comment on this dude’s blog, I’ll reprint it here, because somehow I have this feeling that it might not clear moderation:
[ed:I haven’t the intestinal fortitude to reproduce this dudely masterwork in full, open a new tab to read side by side if you really need to see the amazing thesis for yourself.]
“Is feminism any good or is it rotten to the core?”
Starting with fallacy of the excluded middle. Banner start. I’m guessing hilarity will ensue.
“As you may already know, feminism is a civil rights movement, fighting for women equality, so that women could be equal to men in all aspects.”
Dictionary definition of feminism. Par for the course.
Feminism is the struggle by women to be liberated from the oppressive patriarchal structures of society. There can be no ‘equality’ in a societal structure that is inherently unequal.
“Imagine a situation.”
Hypotheticals? Wow, this usually indicates that a fine beating, of the very first order, on arguments made of straw is about to happen.
“Peter asks why isn’t feminism called equalism instead if the movement is fighting for equal rights among females and males.”
Is it Janice’s fault that Peter doesn’t know jack-shit about feminism. It isn’t, of course, but if we know anything about how patriarchal society works it is this: men blame women for men’s problems.
Let’s see how that goes…
“Peter spends two weeks in jail and gets raped there multiple times.”
Name the problem: Male violence expressed in the form of rape.
Who do we blame? – Janice, obviously. (???)
Rape is under-reported in society because of the systemic barriers in place that make it difficult if not impossible for women to seek justice when they have been raped. (rainn.org for statistics and facts about reporting rape)
I see you have the words ‘enlightening’ and ‘science’ in the title of your blog. Let’s see if you live up to the name. The above link is to a specific page, but judging by the content of this post, most of the rainn.org’s site is required reading.
“And these situations are occurring worldwide and no feminist cares about them.”
As you stated earlier this is a hypothetical (‘imagining’ in your words) – by definition these situations are NOT occurring world wide.
“and no feminist cares about them. All they care about is dominating men. Okay, not all feminists do that, but those who do are what’s known on the internet as feminazis.”
So certain feminists should be associated with Nazi Germany. How refreshing that you’ve Godwin’ed yourselfin only the second paragraph of your fact laden treatise.
So please explain how these feminists are like the National Socialists in Germany in WW2, I eagerly await your learned response.
“Well they don’t want equal rights among females and males, they want to dominate men.”
Which feminist works say this? Please show us the evidence of your assertion, otherwise you are just talking out of your ass.
“Because the judge wanted to keep a public image of him not being a misogynist, because giving her a normal sentence would receive feminazi hate.”
Please show us this case, and the judges ruling – specifically the part about the judge bowing to the ‘feminazi’ pressure, otherwise you’re making shit up and calling it ‘factual’.
“So she was cat called only 0.5% of all her walk time. That is so low that you couldn’t even misogyny.”
Well thank you helpful dude for quantifying for women what is harassment and what isn’t for women. It is not like women should do that for themselves considering that they, not you, are the targets of street harassment.
“She was wearing provocative clothes and she, although I love my girlfriend and I don’t find anyone else attractive, biologically speaking she was attractive. So no wonder she got attention.”
This, this right here is, is in the most classic sense blaming the victim. How amazingly stupid do you think men are – it would seem that you think that men cannot act like decent human beings because of the clothing choices of women.
Okay hard question time – what should women wear so they won’t get attention? Or did you realize that the only necessary variable for catcalling is being female. See Stop The Catcall for evidence of this.
“The third variable is biology. Males are high-wired to be attracted to attractive women and due to our society’s set standards for males, males have to approach the females to set up a family.”
So males get act like shitty human beings because biology. Males, as you describe them, seem to be pretty stupid and weak – if they cannot even control themselves when they see a woman.
“Or do you know the so called wage gap? People are saying that females earn only 0.77$ for every 1$ a man makes. Do you really think this is true?”
It is true. Here is the evidence for the wage gap being true. I’ve noticed that you just say a lot things, and then fail to provide any evidence that the things you are saying are true. This is pretty much as unenlightened and anti-science as once can be. Perhaps you should consider changing the name of your blog to better reflect reality.
“In our society you have really great double standards – everybody is into stopping female rape, but male rape is “non-existent according to feminazis,”
Citation needed, or its bullshit. Guess which one I think it is. (hint: the smelly option)
“There is no male privilege but there is a female privilege.”
Yep, women sure are privileged. They are raped more often, get paid less, suffer more domestic abuse, are aborted more world wide, have strict rules governing their reproductive health, are less educated, make up the majority of the world’s poor.
But I guess that all doesn’t matter because of ‘female privilege’. Right on dude. Right on.
28 comments
September 27, 2015 at 2:07 pm
roughseasinthemed
Where do you find this crap? OK, I died after the second sentence. I then made the mistake of visiting the incoherent ramble. I admire you. I couldn’t be arsed to engage with such idiocy which I acknowledge is my fault. But there is no reasoning with wankers like that. If I don’t know anything about a subject I don’t talk about it. I read around and learn.
There are two things I don’t tolerate on my blogs. Rubbish about feminism and rubbish about vegetarianism. I dare say your golden find would be anti-veg if he kne what it was.
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September 27, 2015 at 3:07 pm
timeemperor
Hello there, dear feminists, I see you think my blog is absolute rubbish, next thing you’ll say that gravity exists. Oh wait I forgot, you don’t know, as this blog’s writer might say “jack shit”. Well I see you don’t understand what being an observer is, so to say two things, before I leave, and I cannot stress this enough, third wave feminism is a mess of oppression against males and calling yourselves the victims and secondly, being a vegan or vegetarian is against your evolution. You say no? Then try eating only vegetables without other supplements, good day to you, feminazis.
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September 27, 2015 at 3:08 pm
The Arbourist
@RSITM
Sadly, way to easily. One needs to just browse the wordpress ‘feminism’ tab and start scrolling.
I should really start keeping a tally of how many posts I can get through before uncovering these turds in the rough. This was post #3 in that particular tab.
It’s amazing and terrifying all at the same time. Terrifying in the sense that the dude in question actually believes his baffle-gab.
That is a good policy. :)
Sometimes my ‘someone is wrong on the internet’ gets the best of me, and if I have the time and spoons stuff like this happens.
I just wish my SIWITI
was more finely tuned.
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September 27, 2015 at 4:29 pm
syrbal-labrys
Tactical grade face palm!
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September 27, 2015 at 5:45 pm
House Mouse Queen
Yes. tons of female privilege everywhere. Idiot men.
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September 28, 2015 at 1:16 am
roughseasinthemed
@ TA
I think we all fall prey to ‘Someone is wrong’ syndrome. I was tempted to answer his idiocy above, but as with SIW syndrome, I try and invoke the golden PR rule, don’t reply to something that clearly doesn’t merit it. Although, the fingers are itching to write, ‘supplements, what supplements …’ in response to his odd view about vegetarians.
Instead I think I’ll write myself a post: Stereotype of a feminist/feminazi.
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September 28, 2015 at 7:01 am
timeemperor
Supplements, you know, like vitamins, because without eating meat you’re not getting enough of all the vitamins, ions, carbohydrates etc. And you are tempted to bash me, but have never considered to look into my speech, because you think it’s wrong, you think I’m making this up, but never I made up a thing, I only used the statistics I found. And you should always correct people and not use “SIW syndrome”, now good luck to you, hope you learn something from my speech.
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September 28, 2015 at 8:38 am
The Intransigent One
hey dumbass timeemperor, if you have actual statistics, then, particularly as somebody who uses the words “enlightened” and “science” in their blog title, you should know that you should be stating the source of your statistics and linking to their source. As it is, it really looks like you’re pulling unfounded claims out of your ass, and you are receiving the respect to which that level of discourse is entitled.
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September 28, 2015 at 10:08 am
The Arbourist
@RSITM
Oh, good idea. Maybe include the origin of the term ‘feminazi’ as Rush Limbaugh is always such a respected resource when it comes to these sorts of things. Up there with Alex Jones and his tinfoil besotted friends.
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September 28, 2015 at 10:10 am
The Arbourist
@Syrbal
I had to sort through all my facepalm images, it’s hard to find just the right fit for certain situations. I do agree thought that the tactical facepalm would be quite appropriate here. :)
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September 28, 2015 at 10:11 am
The Arbourist
@HMQ
Amazing what you can end up with when your premises are faulty. Female privilege indeed. :/
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September 28, 2015 at 10:43 am
syrbal-labrys
I did see one, can’t recall where – guy in full SWAT gear face-palming!
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September 28, 2015 at 11:27 am
The Arbourist
@timeeperor
If nothing else you win the award for awesome-est non-sequitur in a topic sentence.
Men are very good at being the observer, the subject. Let me assure you.
Well I guess it is correct then since you *say* so. Oh wait, you leave comments like you write – unsupported and without evidence and therefore not worth the electrons used in scribbling
them into my comment section.
Based on what? Where is the evidence that shows this is true?
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September 28, 2015 at 12:32 pm
The Intransigent One
Re. gravity – If you read the rest of his pompously shitty blog, you’ll see he has a post explaining that there’s no such thing as gravity, because it’s really just the effect of the curvature of space and dilation of space/time by large masses. While bravely ignoring the fact that “gravity” is the English word for the phenomenon of things falling down. It’s like saying there’s no such thing as thunder because it’s actually shockwaves caused by the rapid expansion of the air as the lightning bolt heats it up.
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September 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm
timeemperor
Okay, I see none of you have manners. I’m sorry that you feel that I’m spreading lies, but really, you should seriously stop judging, because me, being here, arguing with you, only proves my point, that you are feminazis and you just want to oppress. Don’t see it? Well too bad, you see, the world as it is is already crumbling, but only because you think about yourselves you can’t see it. You see I came in to this world only thinking about how great I’ll be, like all of us, but I guess I had the quicker realization of what the world truly is. So stop it with your insults, they wont harm me, I knew what will happen, when I wrote about third wave feminists. I knew they will retaliate or merely try to defend themselves. When you insult somebody during an argument, you already lost it. But go on, insult me again, it wont do anything only prove my statement that you are afraid of what the people can do once they know the truth about you. And don’t worry, I’m not threatening, I’m merely saying that you are like the Kingdom of France – you will fall. And I’m sorry I haven’t used statistics, I tend to forget them, but you, it is better not to use them than to use outdated and unspecified statistics like you do. You can hang me in your dreams, because this will be my last statement – feminazis will fall, they are not the road of progress for humanity. Now goodbye for good you simple minded creatures(not because of your gender, but because of your thinking).
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September 28, 2015 at 12:59 pm
timeemperor
Okay, I wanted my last post here to be truly last, but this will be the last one. Veganism is unnatural, gravity doesn’t exist, don’t mess with someone who know general relativity better than you. And no, curvature of spacetime isn’t cause by objects with mass, it is caused by objects with energy (see general relativity and eternal black hole). Your thinking that you know more than people who truly know more than you is funny and annoying at the same time. But also sad, because now I see how totally this world is in the depths of self-interest. So before you say anything about science, think twice about it and then check the books and then see if you can say what you wanted to say. And veganism is unnatural because you don’t get a lot of chemicals which you need. Why? Because we as humans evolved to be omnivores (see human evolution). Bye, you self-interested creatures.
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September 28, 2015 at 1:07 pm
The Arbourist
@intransigentia
Wow TE is like the leaky bowel experience you never wanted.
It is like…Dude, you’re being taken to school. Just sit down, shut up and maybe just maybe you’ll learn something.
I really cannot wait for a discussion on general relativity, if it is anything like your fathomless knowledge of feminism, only more hilarity can ensue.
:)
Much words, so flouncy. :)
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September 28, 2015 at 1:08 pm
The Arbourist
@TIO
You made bubbles come out of my nose from laughing so hard. Nice comment. :)
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September 28, 2015 at 1:55 pm
The Intransigent One
Also: hahaahah he thinks we’re third-wavers!
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September 28, 2015 at 2:27 pm
timeemperor
Any feminist group beyond formed beyond the year of 1990 is considered to be a third wave feminist group. But I can’t like to go to school, because they teach you only one good thing, maths. Physics there is a bunch of generalization like Newton’s second law of motion. Just because you think you can teach me something, doesn’t mean you will, because let’s face it, I wanted to get into a discussion with you people, it seems fun, never have I had this much fun when I’m bored. You are funny people, clinging to your beliefs however you can, but see in science you don;t believe, you know. If I went as fast as the speed of light I wouldn’t have time to read your petty attempts to hold something as rotten as feminism true, yet you can’t, it is slipping, you are getting a lot of public hate, I can see it, more and more people are rising against you and believe me it’s fun to watch, but because of people like you, the progress of humanity is stopping, but keep thinking I am an idiot, who needs to learn a lot about feminism, I don’t care, but never, never insult general relativity without knowing anything about it. And I’m not saying this because I believe in general relativity like you in feminism, I don’t, I know it has problems in the quantum level, but it’s the best thing we have to explaining cosmic motion, but I’m saying that you can’t insult science, because unlike feminists, scientists are trying to save the world.
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September 28, 2015 at 2:48 pm
The Intransigent One
Actually no. While the third wave did start in the early 1990s, that doesn’t mean that any feminist in 2015, or anybody who adopted feminist ideals since the 1990s, is necessarily a third waver. Third wave refers to a set of ideals and beliefs that arose in that time period. People who don’t hold to those ideals, are not third wavers, any more than present-day people who cling to Newtonian mechanics as the One True Physics, are modern physicists. (Note: I don’t mean to say that second wavers are /wrong/ like 21st century Newtonians.)
You may be an expert in general relativity – I will admit up front that I don’t know enough to evaluate your level of expertise – but make no mistake, I am not insulting general relativity; I am intending to insult you personally, because you are acting like a pompous, entitled oaf who thinks that your knowledge of math and physics makes you a morally and intellectually superior person whose uninformed opinions on subjects outside your area of expertise, are capital-t Truth by fiat of that superiority. Which is just plain laughable. So I am laughing at you.
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September 29, 2015 at 8:18 am
timeemperor
I never stated that my knowledge of math or physics makes me superior, and I know that it is dangerous to talk about things out of my expertise, I didn’t know that it is not how you define what today’s feminist is, but then again, I saw the world as it is and I spoke my opinion based on my observations of the world, so I’m sorry if I called you a third waver or I looked like somebody who thinks himself superior of others, but when data is hidden from you,you can baseless observstions, then again you look like self obssesed third wave feminists, only talking about the sufferege of women when you can’t go beyond the point that EVERYBODY IS SUFFERINING, stop only talking about women, try to solve the problem of world hunger or poverty, then look at the world again and say that woman are suffering.
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September 29, 2015 at 8:55 am
The Intransigent One
Well, do take this as a lesson in why it’s dangerous to speak about things outside your area of expertise. You may be a person engaging in honest inquiry, but you sound exactly like the disingenuous assholes who think women belong in the kitchen, and so that’s how you’re likely to be read and reacted to until you do a whole lot more educating yourself about feminism.
As for why feminism? Because the problem of human suffering is so big, you have to find some angle to tackle it from. You can’t just take on the whole problem all at once. When it comes to hunger and poverty, women tend to be disproportionately affected, because they suffer not only from hunger and/or poverty, but also from sex-based oppression, including from other hungry and/or poor people. Among the class of hungry and/or poor people, you will find that the hungriest and poorest, are women.
Freeing women from sex-based oppression has been shown, again and again, to help all of society. In the case of food aid, when it’s directed at women, it tends to go directly into the bellies of their children, rather than be hoarded by warlords like when it’s directed at men. Allowing women to become educated and participate fully in society (which means, having control of our own reproduction, and also not having to limit our participation due to threats of male violence) doubles the number of available possibly brilliant minds that can work on solving the world’s problems.
The project of feminism isn’t done, even in developed countries where women are equal at least theoretically. In the USA, for example, legislation is chipping away at women’s right to control our reproduction. Gender-based violence is still a thing. Women’s lives and ambitions are still constrained in ways that men’s are not.
When it comes to the gendered constraints men face – for example, displays of emotion being stigmatized, and being groomed towards violence – the solution is more, not less, feminism: it’s “bad” for men to be emotional and vulnerable, or soft and yielding, or pacifist, because it makes them like women. In a world where there’s nothing wrong with being a woman, where femininity isn’t viewed as less-than, men wouldn’t be punished for not being macho.
I could go on all day and then some about why we still need feminism, but I’m going to stop here.
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September 29, 2015 at 9:36 am
timeemperor
I see women as equals to men, but biologically different due to our evolution. But I never stated that feminism isn’t necessary. To the contrary it is needed, but then there is a need of meninism due to the fact, that men suffer to from the society, but in less seen way, and here I speak from experience. But the fact is that I’m not here to put you down, I’m just speaking my mind, and in my mind the world is rotten, because everyone is self-interested like some feminists which the internet dubbed the feminazis (not necessarily you, I don’t know you maybe you are better, maybe you are somebody that I see as somebody who can change the world, but I don’t know). I see the problems of this world and they are not easy to conquer, maybe we could solve these problems, but the first things we must do is act as humane as possible, insulting somebody based on his views is not humane, and I’m sorry for acting over the line, but because I see that feminazis exist, I won’t change my views that they should be stopped.
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September 29, 2015 at 11:29 am
The Intransigent One
The interesting thing about insulting somebody for their views is, what do you do when their view is inhumane, insulting and dehumanizing to you? What if on top of that it’s based on a combination of ignorance, oppositional propaganda, and observations completely tainted by confirmation bias? Why should I be nice in response to that?
Would you be nice to somebody who told you that because of quantum mechanics, it’s possible for wishful thinking to make the world a better place? Because seriously, that’s the level of wrong and uneducated you are about feminism.
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September 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm
timeemperor
No, I apologize for my inhumane acts, and insults, they were childish. About quantum mechanics, well I wouldn’t be that mad given the fact of the many worlds interpretation which just roughly speaking says that every possible action happens in an alternate branch or universe of time.The fact again about feminism, I told you, I had my observations and I do see feminazis, I’m not stating that you’re one because I don’t know you, but there are those people, so why the hell can’t I call them rotten, yes I shouldn’t have called all feminism rotten, but feminazis are rotten, so I still hold my truth that feminazis are rotten.
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September 29, 2015 at 2:21 pm
The Intransigent One
I apologize too then.
If you’re interested in learning more about actual feminism practiced by actual feminists, I’d recommend starting with: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/the-faqs/faq-roundup/
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September 30, 2015 at 7:24 am
roughseasinthemed
@ TIO. I admire your patience.
@ TIO and TE.
I’m not sure where this obsession with third wavers comes in.
Those of us who have been feminist for lots more years than that have a different perspective. For my part, I have no issue with feminism adapting, but until I see the core goals met globally I find some of the glossier shinier and brighter aspects of TWF somewhat distracting.
There is shedloads of evidence to prove that women who are well fed, whose children are well fed, who are educated, who are in control of their reproductive rights, leads to betters results for everyone. That has nothing to do with oppression of men but is about improving society for everyone.
I have no interest in demeaning men. One of the misconceptions is that feminism is about putting men down. It isn’t. It’s about changing a biased societal construct that damages both men and women.
Feminazi is a silly term that isn’t even worth considering. But as TIO says, there is a lot to learn about feminism outside of cliches and stereotypes.
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